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If there was ever a place that there would be paranormal activity, it would be Fox Hollow Farm.

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If the investigators are white, Herbert Baumreich with a Hamilton County businessman was a serial killer.

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I am the biggest skeptic.

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But it felt like someone was there.

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There's stuff going on that I can't explain.

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I had the sensation to run.

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I was running for my life.

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True fear.

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True panic.

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I was scared to death.

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In 2006, we decided we needed more space.

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In 2006, we decided we needed more space.

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Everyone loves a good deal.

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And on the outward appearance, it was a great deal.

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And it was a steal, actually.

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I really wanted a change from city life and from having neighbors close by.

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Somewhere we could just be ourselves.

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My goodness.

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Is that the house?

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The first time that we saw the house was very impressive.

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Just the way that the property is laid out and the architecture of the home, it's just beautiful.

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Here we have an 800 square foot room.

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Great place for entertaining your guests.

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It was breathtaking.

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You walk into the home, you walk into the living room, and you want to stay.

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Another feature that the house has is a swimming pool.

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It's a large swimming pool, 18 by 36 feet.

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I was thinking, wow, I can't believe that you could actually buy a home that you have a swimming pool in your basement.

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It's like, how cool is that?

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So you guys follow me and I'll show you the rest.

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The Fox Hello Farm is a beautiful house.

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It's in a very desirable location.

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It's a desirable property, but no one's living here.

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You just start to ask yourself, what's going on?

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It's a beautiful house.

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It's a beautiful house.

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It started to dawn on me that this might be a property

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that I had remembered hearing about in the local news some time ago.

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Oh, this place.

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So I asked the realtor, is this in fact the place where her bowmeister lived?

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He said yes. That's why it was such a good deal.

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It took years to unravel the mystery, but investigators say they now know who killed nine young men ages 16 to 30.

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A small army of investigators blanketed the normally tranquil Fox Hello Farm.

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After detectives dug up the remains of seven men buried under the foot of the state.

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The feeling of everybody right now is that one person did all these crimes.

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And that person is her bowmeister.

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Well, let's see the graphs.

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This is her bowmeister.

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Vicki and I walked away and just talked amongst ourselves for a moment, and I said, could you live here?

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Would it bother you?

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And initially she said, I don't know.

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See, there's the apartment above the fire.

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I'm a medical laboratory scientist, so I worked in a hospital all of my career.

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Death and dying is part of living. It's part of life.

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But when you go into a home where you know people have lost their lives, you just feel kind of different.

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Honey?

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Oh!

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Sorry.

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I'll start in here.

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Oh!

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Rob and I talked about the impact on our family from living in a home, you know, that had once been owned by a serial killer.

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A lot of people live in homes where people have passed away, and they may not even know it when they buy the home.

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You know, at least we knew this going into it.

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Oh!

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We have two teenage boys that love to use the pool.

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There was a lot of gravel that had been tracked in, and I thought, I really need to vacuum this.

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I'm starting to suck up some gravel.

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All of a sudden the vacuum turns off.

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It's like, oh great, I pulled it, you know, I've unplugged it from the extension cord.

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So I plug it back in.

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And the vacuum turns off again.

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So I stand up, I look.

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And this time the cords pulled apart, and it's about 12 inches apart, and they're just laying there.

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And I'm thinking to myself, this is really odd because I know that I didn't pull it apart.

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And I'm thinking, oh, I'm going to get it out of there.

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It just kind of, it startled me.

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The hairs on the back of my neck just stood up.

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It was definitely a unsettling presence there.

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It felt like someone was there, and it felt like someone didn't want me there.

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I worked at a car dealership, and Joe had just come to work with us.

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I met Rob at the car dealership where we work, and he and I were pretty good buddies.

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It was chronically late. He couldn't get to work on time, and I said, why?

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Sorry. Traffic just insane.

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It was taking me a long time to get to my new job from where I lived. It was 55 minutes away.

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So I decided to find a new apartment on the north side of town.

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I offered a solution to his commute. I said that we have an apartment at the house that no one's using.

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Rob told me briefly about the history. He didn't hide anything from me, but he didn't tell me a lot about it either.

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But it didn't really affect me much. All the things that were there at the time during the murders has all since been gutted.

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So all the bad things were all gone.

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So the day came when I moved in, and we're unloading all the trucks into the apartment, putting boxes down.

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I thought it was a beautiful place, and I thought it would be a great fit for my dog Fred and I.

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Are we done? We're done, yes.

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Once we finally got everything last piece moved in, I was just relieved.

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Okay, I'll see you later.

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Okay, thanks Rob.

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I was very, very tired and sat down and just fell asleep. I was so exhausted.

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I don't remember most of my dreams usually, but this one I did.

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I had the sensation to run.

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I felt like something was chasing me.

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I was running from something bad. I was running from a light.

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I was running from something bad.

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I got up to run and smashed into the door frame.

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I just fell to my face, and I just lay there in so much pain.

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There were shards of glass everywhere, and I got it into my fingers.

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I don't know what I was running from, but I had the sensation to get out of there right away.

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Rob? Rob, I'm home.

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Rob?

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Hey.

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You scared the day like...

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I was on a ladder painting, and Vicki came home from work,

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and I think she was impressed by the amount of painting I had gotten done.

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I was looking at the work that he had done, and...

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Something sort of caught my eye.

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I saw someone standing there.

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I realized that this guy's got a red t-shirt on, and I thought,

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well, it could be a trespasser.

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He had his back to me, and he was slowly walking away.

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And then I realized that he was walking away.

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I was walking away.

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I was walking away.

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I was walking away.

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I was walking away.

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And then I realized...

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I couldn't see his legs.

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And then suddenly he just disappeared into the tree.

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My heart just started beating really hard, because I'm thinking,

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oh, my gosh, this person just disappeared right in front of my eyes.

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Vicki, what's wrong?

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I saw someone.

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My first thought was, it's one of these serial killer groupies.

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Unfortunately, it's a hazard of living in a house where, you know, a serial killer lived.

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We went over to the spot, right where he disappeared,

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and, you know, I was looking over Rob's shoulders.

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There's nothing there. Absolutely nothing.

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Whoever it was, honey, he's gone.

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This is all very unfamiliar territory.

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I am the biggest skeptic.

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You know, I am a scientist.

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You have to prove things to me,

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but I guarantee you, I saw what I saw.

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I had been living there for about a week.

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It was probably about 8.45, 9 o'clock at night,

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and I was washing a couple of dishes.

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All of a sudden, I heard a knock on the door.

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I grabbed a towel. I still had my hands wet, and I dried off my hands.

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And meanwhile, the door is still knocking.

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I was like, what's going on?

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I was like, what's going on?

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I was like, what's going on?

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I was like, what's going on?

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I was like, what's going on?

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And meanwhile, the door is still knocking.

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Be right there.

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Just a minute.

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I opened the door, opened it wide.

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There was no one there.

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Hello?

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I looked out, did not see anyone at the bottom of the staircase.

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I looked over the balcony, did not see anyone there.

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Did not know who would have knocked on the door.

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I kind of paused to gather myself.

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I actually did not feel too comfortable,

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and I just felt like there was something watching me.

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But I could not see anything.

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I was like, what's going on?

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Then all of a sudden, something caught my eye.

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It was like a light wisp of something.

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So I looked back into the bedroom.

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I saw nothing.

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Did you see something too, boy?

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After what Vicki had seen,

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I became concerned for everyone's safety.

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So we installed a close circuit television system.

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We put cameras on the barn facing the house,

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one on the back side, one at the front door,

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and one at the back door.

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The cameras are on all the time,

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and we can watch them from the kitchen on a monitor.

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Here you go, Freddie.

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Let's go.

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It was about three weeks after I had moved into the house,

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and what I had been doing at night, on clear nights,

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I would take my dog, Fred, with me

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and walk up and down the driveway.

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I heard this noise coming from the woods.

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Fred actually stopped, and his ears are perked up.

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I looked down at him, and he's making quiet, growling noises.

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Fred, come on, buddy.

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Let's go back.

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Then my dog took off running.

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So I looked around to see what he was looking at.

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I saw this man.

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This man in a red shirt.

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Fred!

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He's walking into the trees,

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and he walked in front of two of them,

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and then he just faded away and disappeared.

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Fred!

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I was fearful to go into the woods where this man was.

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I thought, is he a bad person,

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or I didn't know what to think.

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Fred?

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Come on, boy.

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You gotta go home.

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Fred?

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I saw the guy in the red shirt for the second time.

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He focused right on this man.

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Fred!

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He was kind of standing right about there.

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Then he turned, and he walked into the woods,

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how much striding like this, you know, like with a purpose.

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Fred, do you have a T-shirt?

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Everything that Joe described was exactly the person that I saw.

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Right up in the woods, right about here.

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This is where he...

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This is where he disappeared.

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We realized that we had actually seen the same thing.

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There was no evidence that anyone had been there,

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and I'm thinking, okay, you know,

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what's going on?

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Hello?

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I woke up with kind of a startling feel,

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and I heard this knocking.

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Rob, is that you?

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Who's there?

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I was calling out, what do you want?

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And I wasn't hearing any sort of response back.

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Who is that?

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But it just kept going on and on and on.

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Knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

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Who's doing that?

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You can feel the vibration,

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and you can actually feel the wooden panels vibrating inside the door.

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Who's there?

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Who is there?

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There's no one there.

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But then the door knock was still horizontal.

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And then it fell and knocked one last time,

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and that just scared the hell out of me.

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Who's there?

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I looked around, all the lights were off on the house.

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Rob and Vicki's house, there was no one awake.

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I didn't hear any footsteps of anyone running away,

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which I would have heard because I didn't hear anything.

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Because it was silent that night.

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I didn't know what to think.

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I don't know.

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I couldn't see what was out beyond the lights,

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and I just felt like there was something watching me.

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I shut the door.

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I locked the deadbolt.

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Hey, hey Fred.

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It's okay, you're okay.

254
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And then the strangest thing happened, my dog Fred.

255
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He starts growling at me.

256
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,000
And I heard what sounded like the doorknob turning.

257
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As the doorknob started to turn, you'd hear...

258
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
and you'd hear this spring compressing,

259
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000
which made this horrific rrrrr sound.

260
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,000
And then it stopped turning.

261
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Bang!

262
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000
The door flew open and slammed into the wall,

263
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,000
and wood chips went flying all over the apartment.

264
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Who's there?

265
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,000
I saw this man.

266
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000
He had a complete look of terror in his face.

267
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
You could just tell he was running for his life.

268
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He was breathing heavy.

269
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
I mean, he was trying to get away from somebody.

270
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000
I've never seen anything like it in my life.

271
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,000
I don't know if he's trying to get away.

272
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000
I honestly think that I saw one of her bow-meister's victims

273
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000
running for their lives.

274
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
I think I see the victims because they're trying to get our attention

275
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,300
They're seeking our assistance.

276
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The first person I told was actually Vicky.

277
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,320
We started researching more about the victims,

278
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,820
about everything that was found on the property.

279
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:46,940
And we started becoming a lot more interested

280
00:26:46,940 --> 00:26:48,400
in the investigation.

281
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:53,560
We had called the local news station

282
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,040
to get some of the footage of the news stories

283
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,640
that I had remember even seeing back in 1996.

284
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,080
The ones being had been in the woods for 16 months.

285
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,640
The bones discovered in June of 1996

286
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,440
contain the DNA identities of 11 victims.

287
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,880
Only eight are identified.

288
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Investigators say all the victims were young, white,

289
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960
and had ties in the gay community.

290
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840
An informant told Indianapolis police that her back.

291
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,240
They started showing photographs of the victims.

292
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,560
And then one particular photograph popped up.

293
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,080
Oh my god.

294
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,160
That was the guy.

295
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,400
What guy?

296
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,900
That guy.

297
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,760
And then I realized.

298
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
That's the young person that runs through my apartment.

299
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,160
That is the person.

300
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Without a doubt, that is the person.

301
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Yes, the picky.

302
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,880
That is the guy I saw in my apartment.

303
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,400
We have not reached the end of it.

304
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,320
There still might be some information out there

305
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600
that might take this investigation a little bit further.

306
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,160
The police found 5,500 bone fragments from the property.

307
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800
We all know that there's more out there.

308
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,800
Fred, come on, buddy.

309
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:21,300
Let's go.

310
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,000
Living in a place like that, you're out in the woods

311
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,320
walking around.

312
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,240
And you're near the areas where they found a lot of bones.

313
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,520
You can't help but think about her bowmeister and the victims.

314
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,200
I'm not really sure what made me look to the left,

315
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,760
but I just happened to glance that direction,

316
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,800
and something caught my eye.

317
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,800
It was just laying on the ground like it was meant to find it.

318
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
At that point, I think it really was a good idea to look

319
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,160
at the other victims.

320
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520
I think it was a good idea to look at the other victims.

321
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,800
I think it was a good idea to look at the other victims.

322
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,920
I think it was a good idea to look at the other victims.

323
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640
At that point, I think it really did start to make sense.

324
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,600
I think we should take the boys.

325
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,400
OK.

326
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,400
You know?

327
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,640
It was a Sunday night.

328
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,520
Vicky and I had just come home from dinner.

329
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,320
Vicky?

330
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440
You think they like Italian?

331
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,520
I think the boys like to eat.

332
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,520
They eat it.

333
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,360
Found something.

334
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,600
Joe met us in the driveway, and he said, I found something.

335
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,920
I found something.

336
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Where did you find that?

337
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,640
You could tell it was a human bone.

338
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,600
That's a femur.

339
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,600
You sure?

340
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
It's definitely human.

341
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,880
I was surprised at how good a condition the bone was in,

342
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,560
and then when Joe told me that he found it just laying

343
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600
on the ground, I was amazed.

344
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Lying there, Rob, like it was meant to find it.

345
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960
It was found sort of in the area where

346
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000
we saw the guy in the red shirt.

347
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,120
And maybe this was what he was leading us to.

348
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,600
I'll report it to the police first thing.

349
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440
I felt the need to get the person that was actually there,

350
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,120
so I contacted the lead detective on the case.

351
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200
And he agreed to come out and show us where things had actually

352
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,920
taken place.

353
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,720
The Boundmeister investigation was one of the largest cases

354
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,320
we've ever had.

355
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,920
I remember this place.

356
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,760
It was a big part of my life at that time.

357
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,640
I found the place to be disturbing not only in 96,

358
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,840
but it brought those disturbing feelings back to me.

359
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Yeah.

360
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,320
It was a big place.

361
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,320
It was a big place.

362
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320
It was a big place.

363
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,320
It was a big place.

364
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,800
Yeah.

365
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,320
In our investigations, he told me

366
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,920
how her Boundmeister had selected his victims from gay bars

367
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,640
downtown that he would offer to bring them up for a swim

368
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960
in the indoor swimming pool.

369
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,680
As I was looking around, it was like I was back in 96.

370
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Mr. Boundmeister had mannequins around the pool

371
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,600
in various poses.

372
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,480
It just seemed weird.

373
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,000
It seemed like a setup to lure his victims there.

374
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
We surmised that Mr. Boundmeister had gained control

375
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,440
over his victims by the use of either alcohol and or drugs,

376
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
brought them into the pool, asked them to participate

377
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,760
in auto erotic asphyxia, and then killed

378
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,240
these individuals by strangulation.

379
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,920
His victims probably thought it was cool.

380
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,880
It's kind of like a spa.

381
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,720
In fact, it was a killing ground.

382
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,560
It was a trap.

383
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,840
The end, when everything was coming to light,

384
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Mr. Boundmeister had killed himself with a gunshot wound

385
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,800
to the head.

386
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Oh, my goodness.

387
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,800
All right.

388
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,800
Enjoy it again.

389
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,320
A friend of mine, Jeremy, came over,

390
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
and he's been wanting to see the house and get a tour of the house

391
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,760
for quite some time.

392
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600
This is the first time I had been to visit Joe at his apartment.

393
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,160
It was about 6 o'clock.

394
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,360
It was dark outside.

395
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,440
We're just having fun, you know,

396
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,720
just playing around with the kids.

397
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,680
We were actually picking up the large beetles

398
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,080
that were dead in the bottom of the pool.

399
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,080
Here we go.

400
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,080
We're down here.

401
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Oh, my goodness.

402
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Disgusting.

403
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Where are you?

404
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Yes, right here.

405
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,080
There you go.

406
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,080
I'm not in right here.

407
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,080
It's OK.

408
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,080
I don't know.

409
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Sorry.

410
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Sorry.

411
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Oh.

412
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,480
All of a sudden, I felt this sensation on my neck.

413
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Ah.

414
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,880
I first thought it was one of the boys.

415
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,280
But I saw them in the opposite end of the pool,

416
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,280
and I realized it was not them.

417
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,280
I just felt these little bees.

418
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,680
I just felt these fingers.

419
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,680
And I felt like I was being choked.

420
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,680
I turn and look at him, and he puts his hands up to his neck.

421
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,680
Pure panic just comes over his face.

422
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,680
It was not fake.

423
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,680
It was Joe and I joke around all the time.

424
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,680
He was not joking whatsoever.

425
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,680
Joe, you're not joking.

426
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Joe, you're OK.

427
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Boys, get him out.

428
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,680
Out, out, out.

429
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,680
Come on.

430
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Get him.

431
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Let's go.

432
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,680
He's in here.

433
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,680
Come on.

434
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,680
Get him out.

435
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,680
Come on.

436
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,680
True fear, true panic, he wanted to leave.

437
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680
There's no question of what I felt.

438
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,680
I mean, I was scared to death.

439
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Joe, you OK in there?

440
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,680
What's going on, man?

441
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Are you OK?

442
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,680
I couldn't help but think of her bowmeister and his victims,

443
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,680
and I had kind of a picture of what the victims were going through

444
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,680
their last full final moments in life,

445
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680
and that was just rather frightening.

446
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:50,680
I was in my apartment over by my front door where my computer is.

447
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:16,680
All of a sudden, I heard a scraping sound, a metallic scraping.

448
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:56,680
And then I noticed something strange on the wall.

449
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:09,680
And there's actually these knife marks, multiple knife marks.

450
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:16,680
They go across the wall.

451
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:25,680
And now I'm thinking that someone could have been murdered or stabbed in my kitchen right next to the sink.

452
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,680
It's actually quite horrifying because the stuff that's happened in the past,

453
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,680
potentially some of it actually happened in my living quarters,

454
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:40,680
and there potentially is still someone in here.

455
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,680
We've all seen all these ghost hunter shows and how they go around investigating with voice recorders and so forth.

456
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,680
So I had my telephone, or it has a great voice recorder on it.

457
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
I turned that on and I turned off the AC.

458
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,680
I unplugged the refrigerator, the TV.

459
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Everything that could potentially make a noise was off.

460
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Is anyone here with me right now?

461
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:18,680
I felt extremely silly doing this, but I really wanted to see if anything was there.

462
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,680
And when I was standing there in the kitchen, I asked this question,

463
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Is there anyone here?

464
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:55,680
There's absolutely no response.

465
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,680
At that point, my dog started growling in the background.

466
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:09,680
That was a big sign to me.

467
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Is anyone here with us tonight?

468
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Who keeps walking in the kitchen?

469
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,680
All of a sudden I heard a sound.

470
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:46,680
So I listened to it again and again and again.

471
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:52,680
And then I hear this voice, which is so clear.

472
00:39:52,680 --> 00:40:02,680
The married one.

473
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:15,680
The married one.

474
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Without a doubt this voice was not mine.

475
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:33,680
I've never heard that voice before, so it was no question that something was trying to let me know that they were there.

476
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:41,680
All the victims were young single men.

477
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:52,680
The man responsible is a well-respected husband, father and business man.

478
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:58,680
The man was suspected married business man.

479
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:12,680
I was convinced that Herb was back.

480
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:22,680
The crime tape came down today, but investigators wonder what other secrets Herbert Baummeister took with him to the grave.

481
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:42,680
The man was a real murderer.

482
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,680
Everyone that's owned the property since has really tried to distance themselves from this whole history.

483
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,680
When in fact you'll never get away from it. It's always going to be that place.

484
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,680
If Herb Baummeister spirit came after my boys, I would take action right away and I would leave.

485
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,680
I'm not going to stay somewhere and put the family at risk.

486
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,680
I don't think we'll ever get rid of Herb Baummeister. He's far too strong of a presence.

487
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,680
But if we can keep him out of the apartment and the house from Robin Vicki and the two boys, I'd feel very good about that.